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Re: Re: RE: starship-design: scoops and sails and something to push against

In a message dated 10/9/98 10:06:44 AM, zkulpa@zmit1.ippt.gov.pl wrote:

>> From: KellySt@aol.com
>> >That is also exactly my point. Hence I think that the best thing
>> >we can do to make interstellar flight possible is to advocate
>> >and support the manned exploration and settling of Solar System.
>> >As fast as possible (or faster) and as extensively as possible 
>> >(or still more...). Initiatives like Mars Direct and Zubrin/Gingrich
>> >concept of financing them by the "Mars Awards" to the private 
>> >enterpreneurs are certainly the most promising here. 
>> >The Mars Society awaits us...
>> These would not actual support real colonies. They would just do government
>> suported base station. Thats about as close to a space faring civilization 
>> as our Antarctica bases are to antarctic colonization or the late 
>> seabottom bases to ocean colonization.
>Possibly, but you must start from something.
>Starting with a base station seems quite reasonable to me.

But its not a start.  Its a conclusion to something very different.  Like
Apollo wasn't the star of Maned use of space.

>> >> In one thing at least you are right, when we do go, it will be in
>> >> Not necessarily all to one star system, but there will be hundreds and
>> >> thousands of ships going out, to every star within reach, all looking
>> >> one thing - a new chance on a new world.
>> >> 
>> >Yes, and it should also settle my perennial quarrel with Kelly
>> >re one-way missions: by definition, most of these missions will be one-
>> Not likely. ;)  
>Not likely what?

That it will settle our perennial quarrel.

>> You idea was a suicide exploration mission. Send out a team
>> and abondon them there to die.
>That is foul [socialist, capitalist, anyother] propaganda!
>My idea was QUITE different. I often wondered why you seem not
>to understand that!
>Geez, should we start the quarrel again?  ;-))

Those were your cryteria, you just don't consider it the same if you give them
the suplies to die of old age in the abonded ship/base/whatever after the
missions over.  ;)

>> Further, if people want to propose reasons for interstellar colonization
>> missions, they'll have to have reasons and patterns that haven't failed on
>> Earthly colonization projects.
>Or quite new reasons that may turn up in a quite different,
>interplanetary-space society.

Interplanetary societies of humans are unlikly to find any fudemental new laws
of society, culter, psycology, or economics.

>-- Zenon