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Re: starship-design: Re: FTL travel
> Since your waiting on earth for someone else to provide you a good reusable
> orbital launch vehicle, it would be reasonable to assume you think like NASA
> does of space ships as high flying airplanes. I think of real space ships as
> deep-space ships.
I think of space-ships as both near ( interplanetary ) and far ( deep )
> With your attitude, you will remain ground bounded referred to derogatorily
> by "deep spacers" as "a ground bounder." It would seem that the title of this
> mailing list is misnamed starship-design.
I hope not... How will I ever see my 3.125 square miles of Mars.
> Making for the moment the silly assumption that my engine will not do as I
> claim, I propose the following open ended proposition to all list members.
> Pretend we have a working engine to take to the stars at a constant one-g.
This is false statement in my belief, but I don't have the math skills
to prove you wrong. Propulsion is not the limiting factor, rather
the path of planetary debris, through stellar systems. I am guessing
will place a limit of < .01 C unless a bastard jet design becomes
with <.25C for a bastard jet.
> To get public funding for a star journey requires a complete package as did
> the programs for orbiting man around the earth or landing man on the moon
> prior to construction.
> Pretend that soon someone will invent a working starship engine, providing
> heat, light, water artificial gravity, and a protective shell as (I claim to
> have already invented), What can this group provide as content?
> Can this group fill the empty payload space with matter to say provide for a
> mixed sex crew of 20 for a simple non returning journey whose mission is a
> lifelong journey on the ship, or to a star planetoid so barren that an
> underground cave must be adapted air tight for colonization as a minimum
> requirement till crew life's end?
That is the risk the explores take. 50 people is the biological minimum
of people to survive on the short term.
> What would be needed as beginning supplies should they find a planet to land
> on that the crew can prosper and multiply?.
> What technology exists today that you would be conformable living the
> remainder of your life in?
> Recycled garbage and human waste as food does not appeal to me, though I am
> no against feeding it to the plants and animals on the soil (for export to
> barren world) on board. What seed stock and frozen embryos and DNA clonable
> samples and soil matter reduced (not containing obtainable ground rock) ?
Nor does green- algae appeal either, a few more items in the food web
hurt. The reason that a closed living environment looks complex, is that
are useto getting things free since Cave Man times... Need a new stone
throw out the old, and find a new rock. One does not fuse all the broken
chips together to make a new stone.
> Assume complete independence from earth (information travels to slow between
> stars to be useful-still pretending my FTL engine not workable) so what CD's
> of library knowledge, minimal trade crafts, food, and plants, soil and
> animals would you take to the stars.
That is a hard question, with no easy answers.
This is a job for "Bio-Dome" man.
> List by weight next to the item.
> The total weight I or a future inventor can then use to design the engine
> specs make the engine to power such a workable mission.
> Should the crew be condemned prisoners or starship--design list members.
There is a difference? grin.
> Will I have to drag mankind to the stars kicking and screaming?
Yes you will because most men want to stay home and grumble.
> Engine aside, can you draw a working diagram of the payload system that is
> buildable with present technology or do I have to provide everything to be
> Remember the fickle public funding freaks require a complete list of items of
> a working package with no unknowns.
> I expect the members of this group to have done some original homework as
> regards the above. If not then perhaps a list name change to star
> travel-is-impossible@lists.. would be appropriate.
> I am not the general public and am conformable with unknowns you may provide.
> Please separate applied technology (conventional known technology) from
> theoretical (hypothesis) in your response. Please take some care with syntax
> usage (time case of past, present, future).
Since I am a computer programmer ,I only have no great technology skills
many of the fields required, but just a curiosity in many of the fields.
As a hobbies I like to design digital projects, but I have no cash for
any large projects like a 24 bit TTL computer from only logic gates and
flip-flops. Say 500 TTL packages. Now back to the topic at hand.
I think we need have both a star-ship and inter-planetary design
mailing lists. I believe in planetary and later stellar travel
other wise I would be in the Gock_for_Spock mailing lists.
Now is the Golden Age of Star travel...
"We do not inherit our time on this planet from our parents...
We borrow it from our children."
The Lagging edge of technology: