Group : Richard Bacon, Peter Nork, Claire Clarkson, Laura Farris

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. What has changed?

The Athenian radical democracy is a good example of the inclusion of the 6th and 5th centuries because they incoporated the army into the voting body (ACG 65b) and later changes by Kleisthenes (ACG 78)??? THIS LAST PART IS NOT COMPLETE. In the 4th century, compromise and inclusion became less common in the Greek world BECAUSE?. The use of mercenary armies resulted in the citizens who had the right to vote no longer fighting. Because of this, the privilege of being a citizen outweighed the responsibility of fighting for your polis. Because of all these privileges, citizenship became more narrow and more restricted. An example of this may be seen at Sparta. There were 5,000 Spartans at Plataea in 479; however, in Leuktra around 371 there were only 700 soldiers (ACG 267). GOOD IDEA TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST ATHENIAN DEMOCRACY IN THE 6TH AND 5TH CENTURIES TO THE 4TH, BUT WHERE IS YOUR THESIS SENTENCE EXPLAINING WHY THE CHANGE OCCURRED????

Instead of compromise and inclusion, the Greek World of the 4th century was characterized by forced inclusion and a lack of compromise BECAUSE?. This is shown in the Chalcidean Federation. Potidaea, the leading city of the federation, tried to force a smaller city to join the league. This resulted in the smaller city calling in Sparta for help, which was the use of outsiders to solve the conflict. Because of Sparta's involvemnt, unification was prevented. The use of force by Potidaea is an example of a lack of compromise.

The political league bodies instituted during the 4th century were comprised of charismatic leaders in which once they died the league collapsed WHY DID COLLAPSE HAPPEN AFTER DEATH????? WHAT DOES THIS LEAD YOU TO CONCLUDE ABOUT THE POLICIES OF THE CHARASMATIC LEADERS???. Good examples of this are Jason of Pherae and the Delphic Amphictiony. The organization gained political power but collapsed when Jason was assassinated in 370. The same thing happens with regards to Epaminondas, when upon his death the various leagues and political bodies he helped to establish (like the Arcadian League) collapsed.

The compromise and inclusion prevalent in the 6th and 5th centuries were less common in the 4th century. AGAIN, YOU SHOULD STATE WHY YOU BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE.

THIS IS A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF AN ANSWER THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AN “A” BUT HAS LEFT OUT CAUSATION, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART BECAUSE IT SHOWS TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF THE INFORMATION.

 

Group : Anika

The frequent imbalance of power and equality in this period of the Greek world among various poleis resulted in a fear of unity (by the polis with the major power), an unwillingness to compromise and include, and the dominance of charismatic demagoguery, all of which undermined the stability of the entire region.

The instance of the Chalcidean Federation evidences of a fear unity. Sparta could not allow any state to challege its power (namely the Federation), and so came to the aid of a state that was not willing to join the Chalcidians. In addition, the Chalcidians were forcing the state to join the league, thus minimizing its political power and refusing to include it in these decisions, and both Sparta and the Chalcidean Federation were unwilling to compromise any of their respective power.

The death of Epaminondas evidences the dominance of a charismatic demagogue over the institutions of the polis. With the recess of Spartan power, Thebes became dominant and its leader, Epaminondas, attempted to emphasize policies of compromise and inclusion, and to prevent his own state from becoming a hegemonical state, in opposition to the wishes of the Thebans. For instance, he had refused to garrison cities of new allies or to tamper with their constitutions. However, the structure of the institutions he implemented was wholey dependent on his charismatic leadership, as was the case with other such demagogues, and thus, at his death, his moderate policies were thrown out to serve the more immediate interests of the Thebans.

WELL DONE


Group : Brie Fetherolf, Laura L

Although compromise and inclusion were important factors in the formation of the success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries, it has changed drastically in the 4th century BECAUSE unlike the previous centuries, warfare was a major part of life. WAREFARE WAS MORE CONSTANT BEGINNING IN THE 4TH CENTURY.  The polias were continuously fighting against one another for freedom /AUTONOMY, and during these times having freedom from invading polias took precedence over having an institution in authority that focused on compromise and inclusion. For example the intervention in the Chalcidice, was a minor event but an important indicator of what lay ahead for the society. These three things are why it failed; spartas attempt to resolve any unification with in its boundries so they used the excuse of "freedom of all Greeks", the society of chalcidice tried to impose INCLUSION conclusion upon others but left compromise out, and they THE CITY WHICH WISHED TO NOT JOIN THE LEAGUE called on sparta to intervene and the leagues were ready to impose the force.

OK, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ROLE OF CHARASMATIC DEMAGOGUES?


Group : Chantay Jensen, Melanie Belles

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. What has changed?

In the case of the Chalcidice, compromise ceased to be a tool for the inclusion because the Chalcidians wanted to form a league, however there was one dissenting state that would not join and instead of forging some sort of compromise with the dissenter the Chalcidians chose to use force to compell the dissenter to join their group. In light of the force that the Chalidians attempted to compell the dissenting state with, the state called upon the help of a larger, more powerful state to defend thier 'freedom'. Sparta felt compelled to support the small state because the Spartans feared unity in Greece due to the fact that the unity of any states would threaten the strength of the Spartan Hegemon. So, what changed?? The tools SPECIFICALLY? that leaders had previously employed were no longer being used WHY WAS THAT?. Instead, they were being ignored BECAUSE… which resulted in reforms that lasted on as long as the charasmatic that created them lived.

GOOD USE OF EXAMPLES, BUT YOU DID NOT ACTUALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION OF WHY COMPROMISE AND INCLUSION WERE NOT SEEN AS OFTEN AS IN THE 6TH AND 5TH CENTURIES.


Group : Ian, Nils, Andrew S.

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. This is not seen in the 4th century BECAUSE... One example of a lack of compromise can be seen by the Spartians destroying the Chalcidean Federation. The Chalcidean Federation themselves used force to make one city-state in Chalcidice part of their league who did not want to join. When that city-state asked for assistance from Sparta, the spartians used that as an excuse to keep the "freedom of the Greeks" and abolish the league. After seeing the benefits of Athenian Empire, one can assume that the reason behind Sparta destroying the Chalcidean Federation is because they wanted to maintain their imperial power. GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT WHY WAS COMPROMISE NOT SEEN AS OFTEN IN THE 4TH CENTURY?

A lack of inclusion can also be seen in the 4th century. Aristotle states "It is said that under the earlier kings they used to share their citizenship with others..." (ACG 267). Looking back to Plataea there were 5000 Spartians. This number can be compaired to only 700 Spartians (ACG 273) at Leuktra. Spartian citizens were becomming more greedy and therefore less open to inclusion. As Sparta attempted to maintain its power and its citizens became more protective of their privileges, the idea of compromise and inclusion deterioriated.


Group : Jacki, Eric P.

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 5th and 6th centuries. What has changed?

INCLUSION WAS NOT SEEN IN THE FOURTH CENTURY BECAUSE The connection between those who fight and those who vote has diminished. This is because of the increasing reliance on mercenaries to fight instead of the demos. This affects inclusion. The citizens no longer have to fight because the mercenaries do the fighting for them, but they are still enjoying the luxeries of citizenship. This caused citizenship to become more valuable and, in turn, increasingly more exclusive. GOOD

The Persians wanted to prevent Greek unity, which they accomplished by funding the Spartans. The Spartans represented the most militarily powerful group in Greece, and thus helping to maintain their dominance simultaneously helped keep the other city-states in check. Thus, the dominant forces protected against the inclusion of other smaller city-states into collectively larger and more powerful units. GOOD

The Chalcidean League attempted to force an unwilling state to join forces with it. This represents forced inclusion, with no compromise, because the state has not been allowed to exercise its autonomy and freedom. GOOD

Jason, a Thessalian, provides a good example of the increase in charismatic leadership. When he was in power, he used warfare to strengthen Thessaly's position in Northern Greece, which would be an action typical of a demagogue --i.e. utilizing special and extreme circumstances to advance their own interests. Additionally, nothing that he accomplished survived his assassination.

WELL DONE. EXCELLENT.


Group : Julia Austin, Roxana Negru, Darren Lillegard

The formation of the polis changed because rather than using compromise and inclusion, as in the sixth and fifth centuries, freedom and autonomy in the fourth centure were highly valued because of the on-going warfare.   HOW DO THE FOLLOWING SENTENCES/EXAMPLES SUPPORT YOUR THESIS?  MAKE THE CONNECTION SO THE READER DOESN’T HAVE TO.  Sparta, by not taking actions to allow their neighbors to unify, shows how they are not compromising and including people in their new power (ACG 272). A further example of Sparta's disregard of Greek ideals occurred on the way to the Chalcidice when they intervened in Thebes. Sparta went to the Chalcidice because the Chalcidean league was trying to force one smaller state to join the league. This again shows lack of compromise and disregard for inclusion.


Group : Laura Slocum, Jenni Lee, Tonyia Brady

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. What has changed?

In 5th and 6th century Athens, the generic rule of "those who fight, vote," applied to most of the Greek city states. There was a responsibility to risk one's life for the sake of the state in exchange for the privileges of citizenship, such as voting. By the fourth century, a complete imbalance has occured between these privileges and responsibilites. The fighters defending the state were hired mercenaries rather than citizens. Jason of Pherae hired 6,000 mercenaries to fight for him (so sayeth Nicols). Because the fighting was being done by hired men rather than the citizens, citizenship no longer had any balancing responsibilites. Because the citizens of a state wanted to maintain their privileges amongst themselves rather than share them, this significantly inhibited the use of inclusion and extension of citizenship to others. Also, because there was no longer the responsibility to risk one's life for the state, there was a greater interest in becoming a citizen for the privileges. GOOD.

The role of Sparta in the 4th century was one that made all possible attempts to prevent unity (ACG 272). In the case of the Chaldean Leage, for example, Sparta was called in by a small state that did not want to be in the league, and after a battle, proceeded to dissolve the league, preventing the unity of the league from lasting. This attitude against unification from anywhere in Greece in order to maintain autonomy completely contradicts the ideals of compromise and inclusion from the 5th and 6th century. GOOD.  Because Sparta's interests lied with maintaining its own power, it worked to undermineany attempts at compromise and inclusion among other states. Further hypocrisy of this is that the Chaldean League did not even apply techniques of compromise and inclusion. Rather, they used force as a means of achieving their goals. WELL STATED.

The third sign of a lack of compromise and inclusion lay within the imperial ambitions of the states. GOOD. Because Athens, for example, clung to its old imperial ambitions of wanting to become a singular authority, ideals of compromise and inclusion could not coexist while its only desires were control of others. Any state that came to power exhibited these characteristics.

WELL WRITTEN, THOUGHTFUL, ARTICULATE ANSWER.


Group : Laura V

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. What has changed?

In the 4th century, not much had changed in the way of compromise and inclusion.  DON’T THE FOLLOWING EXAMPLES SHOW HOW COMPROMISE AND INCLUSION DID CHANGE FROM THE 5TH AND 6TH CENTURIES BECAUSE THEY SHOW HOW COMP. AND INC. ARE NO LONGER BEING USED???????  For example, the Chalcidean Federation/League was trying to force all city-states into their league to aid in their defense against Sparta. Sparta wanted no unification and used the "freedom of Greeks" as their strategy to oppose the unification of city-states into the Chalcidean League. The small city-states were not interested in joining the Chalcidean League either, and called on Sparta to defend them against the league.

This example can be used to demonstrate that compromise and inclusion were not factors in the Chalcidean League example as they were not factors in the Delian League in the 5th century either. According to the text Ancient Greece, the Delian League wanted all Greek states to benefit from the existence of the League, but to benefit one had to provide the League with tribute, warriors, and supplies to support its fleet. Some states opted to not contribute warriors and supplies but to instead send "money", thus forfeiting their right to vote, because to be a voting member of the League one must fight. Therefore, because certain states refused to send warriors, they could not fight. This led to less inclusion and compromise.

INTERESTING TAKE ON THIS CLASSROOM EXERCISE, BUT YOU ARE MISSING  THE LARGER PICTURE WHICH WAS THAT “Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries”

Compromise and inclusion are critical in the success of the polis in the 4th century because there was none.??? NONE WHAT? NO SUCCESS, NO POLIS, OR NO COMP/INCL????? As explained above, the League wanted to force city-states to join them, city-states wanted to pay Spartans to help keep them out of the league, and Spartans wanted no unification whatsoever. Very interesting.  WATCH YOUR USE OF PRONOUNS.


Group : Michael Mohr, Bryn Jansson, Daemion Lee

IN THE 6TH AND 5TH CENTURIES, The institution of the polis developed from of the ideas of compromise and inclusion. In the formation of the polis, the citizens were those who fought. There was a balance between responsibility (fighting) and privledge. This balance led to the inclusion of many middle class citizens, who were the backbone of the army. This inclusion allowed for a stable state. As the polis developed, it moved away from this balance. The Cahlcidean League illustrates this change. In this incident, a state FORCED INTO in the League recruited outside power TO HELP THEM DISENGAGE FROM THE LEAGUE. Thus, the people fighting in the conflict were no longer those who were voting. HOW DOES THIS EXAMPLE SHOW THAT?

Compromise between city states disolved in the 4th century, causing the destabilization of the polis. There was not as much need to compromise and bring in new citizens to fight because mercenary forces had taken over the responsibility of fighting. GOOD. Even new Leagues such as the Chalcidean League were unwilling to compromise with the members of their own league, instead using force to try to bring them into compliance.  GOOD.

Imperial ambitions also led to a lack of compromise. City-states felt that their own interests could be better served by defeating their enemy. In Thebes, Epaminondas tried to respect the constitutions of the Theban allies, but was disgraced becase the demos wanted more power.

Also, no long lasting institutions supporting compromise and inclusion were able to be set in place in many Greek states during the 4th century because the Leagues and states fell into disorder after the deaths of their charismatic leaders. A perfect example of this is the downfall of Epinondas' alliances after his death in the battle of Mantinea.

OVERALL YOU TOUCHED ON MOST OF THE IMPORTANT POINTS. WELL-DONE.


Group : Peter Brush and Sarai

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation and success of the polis in the 6th and 5th centuries. What has changed?

During the formation of the poleis DURING WHAT TIME PERIOD?, the principles of compromise and inclusion were acted upon. Citizen bases were expanded, leaders endorsed policies of moderation. In this later period, WHAT LATER PERIOD? GIVE ME A CENTURY.  states practiced exclusion; the Spartan citizenship was fourteen percent of its former numbers; no further enfranchisement of citizens occured. WHAT DOES THIS LEAD YOU TO CONCLUDE???? Foreing garrison positions were preferred, demonstrating the desire of citixens to not have to act out their civic resposibilites at home, preferring the luxury of a foreign post. In Athens, citizens relied on mercenaries instead of acting on ther responsibilities as citizens as Pericles had stated, a willingness to die for the state. Since the voters/citizens are no longer fighting, the balance of privilege and responsibility is off; citizens reap the benefits without being responsible. Also, because fewer fighters are needed from the population--as they are now hired mercenaries--society is less open to the enfrenchisement of new citizens. GOOD.

The states were concerned with autonomy and freedom; however, Sparta denied other states the ability to unify, claiming that such unification was a threat to the autonomy of other states. In their attempt at unification, the Chalcideans forced inclusion on a smaller state who did not wish to participate, which resulted in the other state calling in an outsider (Sparta) to defend their rights. Outside influence preventing unification mirrors the Persian influence against Greek unification. Here the unifying force of the Chalcideans is acting tyrannically.

These factors demonstrate that the poleis had abandoned the principles of inclusion and compromise, the principles that had benefited the poleis earlier.



Group : Shaphan, Ty, Dan, Justin.

In the fourth century the workings of the polis began to change. The changes that occured began to represent the shifting priorities of the polis as a whole. The polis, in attempt of sustaining its power, began to avoid the all important factors of inclusion and compromise within their political strategy. Because of this withdrawl of inclusion and compromise, the states began to have short lived success, and more internal goals, as opposed to expansion, and the betterment of the whole region. ACKWARD AND CONFUSING SENTENCE.  The Chalcidean league shows this, in their attempts to force others within their system, without real inclusion exsiting within their political system.

There was also a clear change within the political system in that the idea of "those who fight, vote" no longer exsists. The citizens of the polis no longer are the ones who do the fighting, but are given money by the King in order to buy the help of mercinaries who would do the fighting for them. This shows the change that no longer are people willing to fight by the fact that they are reduced to hiring foreign mercenaries.

OVERALL, PRETTY GOOD.


Group : Stubblefield, Farger, Delong

The evidence WHAT EVIDENCE?  suggests two examples SPECIFICALLY… that the states had failed at compromise and inclusion by forece of the smaller state into the Chalcidean league. This again can be used as an example at the failure of compromise, due to the fact that the state called upon the Spartans for assistance instead of finding means to a peaceful solution. In turn the willingness of the Spartans to act, upon their self intreasts and involve themselves within the conflict to stop the formation of the league within their borders. THE LEAGUE WAS IN SPARTAN BORDERS?

As for the failures in the individual members within the society HOW DOES THIS RELATE TO COMP&INCL NOT BEING PRESENT IN THE 4TH CENTURY?  YOU NEED TO MAKE THOSE CLARIFICATIONS SO THE READER DOESN’T HAVE TO. was the evidence of the few numbers of actual Spartan citizens at the battle of Leuktra, and the revolt of Kinadon, "to be second to none in Lakedaimon" which is found on page 497 in ACG. This breakdown of society, and revolt leads to the safe assumption that compromise, and inclusion had failed within the Polis. HOW???? WHY???? IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE CLAIMS THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED. 


Group : Tyler Campbell

Compromise and inclusion were critical factors in the formation of the polis in the 5th and 6th centuries but changed significantly in the 4th. Rather than acting in the interests of inclusion and compromise, states began to act in their own self-interest out of fear of loss of freedom. GOOD.  They failed to recognize long term consequences in place of a focus on short-term political gratification led by charismatic demagogues. GOOD. Whereas earlier the rule-of-thumb of the demos was those who fight vote, now those who vote were no longer fighting. This results in a decline of responsibility to serve and defend the state. The privelege of citizenship became more attractive because of the benefits weighed against the responsilities to the state. Because of limited resources, citizens were compelled to exclude new members to preserve their privelege. GOOD.  The function of defending the state was now being served by mercenary fighters hired by the Persians who acted in their interest to keep the Greek states disunited and thus a non-threatening entity.

The Chalcidian league provides an example how Greek states were acting in a manner contrary to compromise and inclusion. The Chalcidian league was formed on the basis of geographic proximity, however states were compelled to join by force rather than willingly. When a small state refuses to join, they seek outside help from Sparta. Sparta is not willing to tolerate unification of states under a league (they are the agents acting in the interest of the Persians), and are ready to intervene under the guise of "defending the interests of the Greeks". This illustrates use of force resulting in exclusion rather than compromise that invites inclusion.

OVERALL, WELL DONE.


Group : Wade Pittman, Kate Dondero, Rich Borders

Evidence WHAT EVIDENCE? suggests within the 4th century, the lack of structure from the demos, coupled with weak legislation ran by charastmatic leaders such as Epaminondas and Jason of Thessally EXAMPLES??? ultimately led to the collapse of the compromise and inclusion model and rather LED TO the emergence of warfare under????? autonomy and freedom. For example, the three main points that dismantled the Chalcidian Federation were HOW DO THESE POINTS SUPPORT YOUR THESIS???? : the use of force by the League upon smaller states in order to include, Sparta's disallowment of unification of other city states, and the willingness of these smaller states to call upon the outside forces. This only skims the realm of 4th century transition into a new era of instability and warfare.


Group : drew gonrowski

After the 5th and 6th centuries, warfare continued because attempts of compromise and inclusion in Greece disappeared.

This is seen when the Chalcidian Leauge was being formed. The Spartans did not want to allow unification by the city-states, showing an avoidance of inclusion and compromise. Inclusion and compromise were also ignored when the League tried to force the Chalcidice city-state that refused to join the League. (ACG 272)

Another change in Greek ideals that led to lack of compromise and inclusion was the use of mercinary armies. This took away the balance of privilege and responsibility. By having non-citizens fight, it changed the system of "whoever fights, votes"; compromise was ignored. Citizens had less of a tie to the state because it was no longer needed for them to put their lives on the line. The use of mercenaries fighting are seen by Jason of Pherae/Thessaly who formed an army of over 6,000 mercenaries.

When Jason was assassinated his reforms and ideas fell apart, showing Jason's dependece on his leadership to maintain his policies, not of the people. This shows the lack of inclusion on behalf of Jason when trying to form his policies.

Inclusion and compromise were no longer used when forming leauges, military armies, and policies, therefore prolonging warfare.


Group : matt, maggie, sarah, and especially adam

In the fourth century, the Spartan and Athenian city states neglected to uphold the earlier virtues of compromise and inclusion and opted instead to uphold the values of exclusion and unilateral self-interest. The citizens were enjoying all the benefits of citizenship without the responsibility to uphold it. In the intervention of Chalcidice, the Spartans, who had always professed freedom of all Greece, could not accept the independence of another state within her sphere. ?????? WHAT DOES THIS SHOW?

 Epameinondas (ACG 272) states, “Seeing all the others cowering before Agesilaos, he alone had the spirit to speak out and deliver an address, not only on the behalf of the Thebans but on that of Greece as a whole. Demonstrating how war made Sparta great because a the expense of the sufferings of everyone else and urging that peace be made on just and equal terms, for it would last only if everybody involved were made equal.” This evidence suggests that the responsibilities of securing peace for Sparta were not a guarantor of rights as a citizen. Therefore the old Hoplite ideal of “those who fight are those who vote” had been replaced by those who fought being relegated to second-class citizenship. BECAUSE these soldiers were not guaranteed (excluded) the rights of citizenship, the state was bound to become unstable. We can use the comparison of the stability of the state when there was inclusion.

The subsequent leaders of these city states were acting increasingly in their own interests and were not establishing sound governmental systems that would survive after their death. The values of compromise were replaced by the self interest of the ruling parties. The example that can be used is that of Jason of Thessaly. After winning a battle with mercenary (non-citizen) soldiers, he was perceived to become the next great leader from Northern Greece. However, after his assassination, the systems he set up disintegrated. Hence, because Jason used non-citizens to create a partial hegemony, the system would not last past his death WAS IT HIS USE OF MERCENARY SOLDIERS THAT CAUSED THE SYSTEM’S COLLAPSE?. Hence he was a charismatic leader and not a moderate ruler. Charismatic leadership, exclusion, and self interest did not establish a lasting system of government.