Sorry I could not attend today's session. What exactly is the AAOT, if not a gauranteed "transfer module" of gen ed credits? I believe that is its very definition...

Here's a quote from the class catalog: "The Oregon Transfer Degree (Associate of Arts) is a program of study that community college students can follow to fulfill all their lower division general education requirements for a bachelor's degree at an Oregon University System institution."

Why re-invent the wheel? The main difference seems to be that the AAOT requires 90 credits hours while the proposed transfer modules requires 45. If the OUS has already agreed to the courses listed for the AAOT, then they should have no problem with subdividing this same list to create a "freshman" core and a "sophomore" core, thereby providing 45 credit hour modules. That seems very do-able. But whatever is done should be followed up by Shannon's point on advising. For students to really understand ANYTHING about seamless transfer, they need access to advisers, a shrinking population. Community colleges pick up a lot of first generation college students who often do not have family members that can help them work the system. They may believe that all colleges are alike, teach the same subjects and have the same expectations. They may have no idea, for instance, that you can't earn an electrical engineering degree at the University of Oregon or that the University of Oregon has state of the art electron microscopes not available at Oregon State. They may have no one to help them make a reasonable transfer plan. (I hear echoes of HD100 here) If we don't have advisers available and a plan in place to GET them to those advisers, no amount of module planning in the world will make any difference in their success rates.

Kari Rothi