Minutes for Discussion 4 (Self and Other in Relationships)
February 2, 1999

by Tony Marchant

Article 1: Davis, et. al. Effect of perspective taking on the cognitive representation of persons: A merging of self and other.

Presenting Group:

  1. Concerned about whether the subjects represent the general public. Ë College students: Are they affected by their education and economic status?
  2. In Study 2, how would lower education of the subjects affect the results?
  3. Ë If it was a math-related distraction, fear of math would affect performance.

    Ë It is a memory problem rather than a math problem. (Referring to the cognitive distracter task.)

  4. How would cultural differences affect the study?

Would perspective taking vary if you used different groups?

Ë Methods used in this study might not work in some cultures. Ex.] Indian caste system Ë People are not similar. Ë Need to be similar for these methods to work.

Ë Highly hierarchical societies can’t even take the perspective of someone lower.

Ë Must feel in some sense similar Ë "Condition" for activation.

Ë Is it really blocking conscious processing?

Ë Researchers rely too much on existing methods; they rarely question a commonly used methodology. [Ex. At some point, intelligence was thought to be measured by brain cavity size.]

Ë Science is a social/political process govered by norms, fashions, etc.

Ë Does motivation to learn increasing perspective taking?

Ë Observation of physical aspects of communication helps understanding/perspective taking.

Ë Body language is not always interpreted correctly, it is very ambiguous when it is not accompanied by language.

Ë Gestures accompany and emphasize verbal communication.

Ë If one can’t even imaging what another is thinking, the gap for perspective taking increases.

Ë Simplistic self-concept might increase the overlap of self-other traits.

Or the exact opposite could happen. The two people could be exact opposites and no overlap would occur.

Ë Or just one similarity could lead to a flood of merging between self and other traits.

Article 2: Aron, et. al. Close relationships as including other in the self.

For example, in the Middle East, women have a lower status. How would this affect the self-other merging of traits between a woman from that culture and a man from a Western culture?

Ë Hard to study pairing of different cultures because those are the very cultures that are hierarchical and do not allow marriages outside of that culture.

  1. Honeymoon: big self-other overlap.
  2. Abuse: large gap between self and other.

Ë This dynamic keeps the relationship going (i.e. If I (abused) do this we will be happy.) Abuser: self (worried) Ë knows what the other is feeling but has no sympathy (psychologists call this the machiavellian form of empathy).

Ë High cognitive empathy but no compassion/sympathy. Ë Is this an example for a split between cognitive and emotional empathy??

Ë If it was accepted culturally, there would be low self-other merging.

Ë Rare cases, but even normal people show variation of self-concept across different roles/situations.

Article 3: Simpson, et. al. When the head protects the heart: Empathic accuracy in dating relationships.